Talking about his background, secrets to prospecting, and top tips to becoming a successful account executive is John Barrows on this week’s episode!
If you missed episode 21, check it out here: PODCAST 21: The Making of a Top-Producing Silicon Valley VP of Sales
What You’ll Learn
- Prospecting with passion and enthusiasm
- Handling objections effectively
- Planning and managing your day to achieve maximum results
- Cold calling techniques and tips to drive pipeline
- Effective negotiating strategies
- Selling with empathy and understanding the buyer journey
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Show Agenda and Timestamps
- Show Introduction [0:09]
- About John Barrows: An Introduction [2:47]
- There Wasn’t a Light-bulb Moment — I Just Put in the Work [9:10]
- If Content Is King, Context Is God [14:09]
- How to Think About Your Contact Strategy [18:04]
- Cold Calling Is Not Dead, But Do It Right [30:32]
- Structuring Your Day — Plan it Down to the Hour [38:49]
- Sam’s Corner [47:10]
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Sam Jacobs: Hey, everybody this is the Sales Hacker Podcast, and I’m your host, Sam Jacobs.
We’ve got on our show today John Barrows, and everybody knows who John is.
His enthusiasm for the profession of sales is infectious and he’ll tell you all about how to generate engagement, get meetings, build pipeline, and approach your day in the right way.
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About John Barrows: An Introduction
Sam Jacobs: Hey everybody, and welcome to the Sales Hacker Podcast.
My guest today is John Barrows — the startup community already knows who he is!
He’s been one of the top sales trainers and sales thought leaders in the startup ecosystem and he’s the founder and owner of JBarrows Consulting.
I think one of his favorite and famous mantras is he teaches Salesforce how to sell and we’re just super excited to have him on the show! John, thanks for joining.
John Barrows: Thanks for having me, Sam.
There Wasn’t a Light-bulb Moment — I Just Put in the Work
Sam Jacobs: Was there a light bulb that triggered, when you went on your own and you knew you were going to be successful? Or were you always just so determined that, no matter what, you were going to make sure you won?
John Barrows: I think it’s more the latter. There’s no light bulb and no overnight successes, and usually, the ones that are don’t last.
Success is a different definition for everyone. I’m a big goal-setter. And so, I’m focused on continuous improvement. I live my life by the rule of 1%, which is you set the bar at a high, but attainable level. Then you just do 1% better every single day.
If you can genuinely look at yourself at the end of that day and say, “I was better today than I was yesterday,” then it’s going to be hard not to be successful.
If Content Is King, Context Is God
Sam Jacobs: I want to talk about a couple of themes while we’ve got time together. One of them is the evolution of sales and marketing in general. What should we be thinking of as we move into 2018 and 2019?
John Barrows: Everybody’s looking for the silver bullet, right? And it frustrates me because the skill of sales is getting replaced by technology.
People are focusing less and less on the ability to ask questions and relate to people. They’re focusing more of their attention on whatever cool new tool and technology they can use to send an email. I think we need to get back to the basics a little bit on sales.
First of all (I stole this from Gary Vaynerchuk), everybody says, “Content is king.” He says, “Fine, if content is king, then context is God.”
And that, to me, is marketing versus sales. Marketing is content; sales is context. If we, as sales professionals are not putting any context around our content, then we’re no different than marketing.
How to Think About Your Contact Strategy
Sam Jacobs: If context is god, how can a rep listening to this improve their process tomorrow by embracing context?
John Barrows: Left to me, we’d all have a half an hour to do research on every account before we sent an email or made a phone call.
That’s just not realistic because even though we understand quality, we’re still forcing quantity. What I really recommend is everybody tier out their accounts.
This is where technology’s a big benefit because there’s a ton of tools out there that can give you really deep insights on what a company looks like.
Tier out your accounts into:
- High-quality ones — Tier 1
- Quantity approach — Tier 2
- Practice or try things out — Tier 3
It’s about the contact strategy and the story that we tell these people. You can map that whole story out in a tailored way, but only to your top tier. I’m not going to do that for every single account. It’s just not realistic, but with your tier twos, that’s where we can be a little bit more targeted.
When I say targeted, let’s find some type of commonality that a group of people has in your database. Usually, you’ll read a blog post about some common themes or challenges, and then you can craft a message around that. Then send out 50 emails at a time with that specific persona.
That’s how we can get the volume up there, but that allows me to put the context around it because it’s a persona. Therefore, I can share relevant information to that persona.
Cold Calling Is Not Dead, But Do It Right
Sam Jacobs: I’m on your blog right now. It says, “Cold calling is not dead.” What’s the role of the telephone in the modern sales world?
John Barrows: It’s a piece of the puzzle and it’s no longer any one form of communication. There’s email, phone, text, social, all that stuff.
Different people like communicating in different ways, right?
Since you don’t know what type of communicator you’re dealing with, you got to mix it up. The reason I make phone calls is that every once in a while, I get through. I think voice is something you need to practice and get really good at.
Also, I leave voicemails, not because I expect callbacks, but because when I leave voicemails, tied with my contact strategy, my email responses go up.
Sam Jacobs: There was a specific voicemail that you leave. Tell the audience what it is?
John Barrows: It’s probably the hardest thing we train. It doesn’t start with a “Hey, this is John Barrows from JBarrows Consulting.” 90% of the time they’re going to delete it right after that.
So what we start off is the reason for the call.
“Hey Sam, I was on your website and I notice you’re doing some really cool stuff in these areas, and I want to talk to you about how our clients are using our solution to address those challenges. Could you call me back at 617-529-7271? Oh, by the way, this is John Barrows with JBarrows Consulting, 617-529-7271.”
You start with the reason for the call, then you back it up with your name. There’s a pattern interrupt factor there because every single voicemail sounds exactly the same. Then you come in and it’s different.
Second, it literally forces them to listen to the value proposition because everybody wants to know who it is before they hang up that phone. The third benefit is, I always joke, if you screw up halfway through, you can hang up and they have no idea who you are.
I really recommend that structure; pick your intro, what’s your reason, what’s your call to action, and then your contact information.
Structuring Your Day — Plan it Down to the Hour
Sam Jacobs: How do you think about structuring your day so that you can get all of the things you want done, done?
John Barrows: My biggest recommendation for everybody is get maniacal about goal setting — smart, specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and timely. Set goals every day. Everybody likes crossing stuff off a list, so make yourself feel good.
I recommend everybody do things in hour chunks. Do an hour’s worth of this activity, an hour’s worth of that activity.
As an example, do all your research for your accounts at the same time because you can get very efficient with your research. Make all your calls at the same time, send all your emails, those type of things. If you do things in hour chunks and give yourself breaks in between, you’ll be way more efficient than just going throughout your day.
Sam Jacobs: Hi folks, it’s Sam’s Corner. Thank you for listening. Another great conversation, this time with our good friend, John Barrows. There are always good tips and tactics within the course of a given John Barrows training session and he referenced a few of them on our podcast.
We’ve got to think multimedia when we’re doing a sequence and it has to include email, voicemail, a LinkedIn message etc. Use the phone; it works in conjunction with everything else.
When you’re leaving a voicemail, don’t just say your name. Say, “The reason for my call is…” and have your name and your phone number, where your name is sandwiched between the phone number twice.
Don’t just drop everything into a sequence. Make sure that you’re personalizing it and that you’re doing thoughtful constructive outreach and that’s what will get you a response.
This has been Sam’s Corner, thank you so much for listening. I’ll talk to you next time.
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